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Little Twi and Celestia by SilFoe Little Twi and Celestia by SilFoe
Relatively quick drawing.

I always liked the idea of Celestia as a mother figure to Twilight. It makes Celestia a bit more accessible to me.
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The problem with Celestia being mother figure is that mother would never risk her daughter live, in worse case scenario she would accompany her daughter to protect her on dangerous mission, but Celestia in the show send Twilight to fight enemies for her even before she unlocked elements, if she had motherly felling's for Twilight, she would follow Twilight and be ready to jump in if Twilight live is in danger.

That is why Celestia as mother figure is rather hard to accept.

But your arts are really good, maybe you can make art how Celestia protect Twilight from Discord or Changeling Queen and her army ?
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SilFoe Mar 9, 2013   Digital Artist
I can see this reasoning. I'm thinking, though, that there is a difference between being a mentor and mother-ish figure and actually being a mother. I've heard parents talking about how difficult it is to see their child fall again and again as they learn to walk and again when they learn how to ride a bike or skates. It's painful to see their child get hurt, especially when they're the reason the child is getting hurt, but they know it is necessary. I'm thinking their relationship is an extension of that. It's painful to send Twilight into dangerous situations, but perhaps Celestia is confident that she isn't sending Twilight into anything she can't handle.

I might do something like what you're suggesting.
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It is one think sending Twilight into something she can handle and other think sending her into something what have only some % chance she will survive, Nightmare Moon was even more powerful then Celestia and how long it would take Celestia to kill Twilight and her friends, less then minute, if it was not for Nightmare Moon trying to scare off mane 6 instead of attacking them directly, mane 6 would be dead before they even went to everfree forest.
Celestia could at last observe Twilight form the shadow to protect her in case Nightmare Moon would attack, but letting her go alone considering the risk was just a gamble with her student live.

With Discord she could know that he does not use lethal force, but sometime mind heal far longer then body,there was risk that Twilight would never heal from her trauma caused by Discord, and since mane 6 did not had elements of harmony, it would be more logical if Celestia, Luna and guards searched for elements as well, 1000 eyes searching is better then 6, especially since Discord can not attack more then 1 target at once.

Again Chrysalis Celestia failed to defeat opponent what was just a bit stronger then herself just because she used raw power, everyone can use raw power, so the fact that Celestia did not dodge, use tactic or use many spells to defeat stronger opponent prove that she is a bit of failure, and how can a good mentor expect her student to deal with chalenges and far stronger opponents when she herself can not win in almost fair fight ( Twilight and her friends defeated 100 changelings before they were defeated, Celestia failed to defeat 1 Queen ).

I just fell that there is difference between sending student or daughter to do something hard but what she can handle, and risking student or daughter life in a gamble are two different thinks, Celestia could accompany Twilight and her friends every time to make sure that they wont die on they mission without affecting the outcome to much, but she did not.

That is why it is so hard for me to imagine Celestia as mother figure, it looks more like Twilight is just a pawn to her, a expendable pawn what can be sacrificed ( after watching season 3 finale I understand that she and Luna not helped to test Twilight and help her improve, but I still think that she could do far more to ensure that mane 6 wont die without helping them pass they test ).

PS: If you make picture of Celestia protecting Twilight from Chrysalis, Discord, changeling army or some other danger, PM me.
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SilFoe Mar 10, 2013   Digital Artist
We have no clue at all what Celestia was doing during the Nightmare Moon or Discord. Its equally possible that she was watching over them without interfering if she could help it or that she was sitting on her flank drinking a milkshake. We have no way of knowing. A fair bit of the fandom likes to make her out to be manipulative and/or lazy and she could very well be or she could have safety measures and plans within plans. As for the changling thing, I personally think she got a bit arrogant and didn't think she needed to dodge or use anything other than brute force until it was too late. Y'know, she's probably used to being the most powerful thing around and was caught off guard. Or we could all be thinking she has way more power and wisdom, etc. than she really actually has. This could all be dumb luck. Regardless, we are most certainly overthinking this all. Now I'm the first one who would say overthinking a cartoon is hella fun, just want to keep it all in perspective. ^_^
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Well, the problem is that no matter what she was really doing, she sure left a very bad impression, I mean, always staying behind wasting her huge power when group of far weaker poines had to do job for her, and the only time she used her huge power to help, she failed after 15 seconds.

I hope Celestia and Luna will finally DO SOMETHING to improve they reputation, becuase so far they are powerful rulers who can not do a think but they expect weak ponies to fight gods for them.

Maybe it will finally change in season 4 where they will have no more excuse " we do not help because we had to test do you are worth to being Alicorn ", because since Twilight managed to beat stronger opponents as Unicorns when Celestia was to arrogant to defeat opponent what was just little stronger, maybe Celestia do not deserve to be Alicorn, well, all I try to say, I hope that season 4 will finally improve her reputation and make her at last look useful, not that we must guess that maybe she was being useful.
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SilFoe Mar 10, 2013   Digital Artist
Perhaps, but ultimately, its a show about Twilight and her friends. It wouldn't be too entertaining to have Celestia and Luna be a Deus ex Machina. Once or twice wouldn't be too bad, though.
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I do not expect them to be Deus ex Machina, I expect them to do something, cooperating with mane 6 while protecting Equestria would be good enough.
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If I may... Celestia and Luna are very powerful entities, but without their connection to the Elements they could do nothing about Discord... Also to note, Chrysalis defeated Celestia due to the simple fact that there is no way that Celestia could've been at %100 power when Chrysalis emerged... The days before the wedding, Celestia and Luna had to be on constant watch, they couldn't even sleep right...

I can give no evidence of this part of my theory but I believe that Luna had very slight control of Nightmare Moon and that's why she didn't use lethal force... Instead trying very hard to dissuade the group from proceeding... I think Celestia knew that but still sat and watched from the wings in secret, just in case... Again I have no evidence to support this...

All in all, seeing Celestia as a surrogate "mommy" makes her easier to approach as a character for me...
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i always like that idea as well :) i mean, she was the princess personal student while twilly was growing up! so i imagine she was more like a mother then a teacher to her.
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